Here you can find the results of intense discussions between myself and others. These discussions tend to be one-on-one.
Although there may be others involved, the discussions are typically quite intimate.
This could occur within a community or private chat.
Privacy is prioritized, so only public information (from public communities) or meaningful private communications up to the extent of conversation are shared.
STRONG DISCUSSION - Intense
🎯 These discussions can be drawn from any community...
✅ Each question between us here does not necessarily reflect their stance, so we cannot judge them based on their questions, unless the Q&A has been resolved, then the final outcome will reveal the true attitude.
⭕️ It is important to remember that in discussions, we should not judge others based solely on their questions, which may be motivated by seeking confirmation, comparison, or other motivations that may not be reflected in the question asked.
🔰 This is to create discussions that inspire each other because...
1⃣ ... it opens up issues that were previously unnoticed...
2⃣ ... strengthens patience, gratitude...
3⃣ ... holds hope (not despair) and concern (for vigilance - self-awareness of one's own weaknesses - openness - not arrogance)
4⃣ ... acknowledges rights and responsibilities
5⃣ ... is able to synergize between idealism, pragmatism, and realism, so not only realizing things as they are but also adapting contextually
☃️ From us to all...
AAMIIN 🙏
TRUTH & REALISTIC PROJECTIONS - Intense Conversation
☪️ Seremonia:
As long as something can lead us to adapt better and better, it means we have found the truth
But divine truth is more specific
♦️♦️♦️𝑆𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑙𝑒𝑡 Ｄ. 𝐅𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐫:
Good remains good. Less good hopefully gets better. It's the same with what's right and less right. 😮💨
☪️ Seremonia:
Life is self-optimization, and that requires adaptation
🪆 ♦️♦️♦️Strawberry Field:
As long as it lasts
☪️ Seremonia:
Not eternal but immortalized
♦️♦️♦️𝑆𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑙𝑒𝑡 Ｄ. 𝐅𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐫:
If you had a time machine, which era would you go back to, bro?
The dinosaur era sounds exciting
Iron loses to an iron. An iron can move left and right. Why can't humans? 😫
☪️ Seremonia:
In a time when love is blooming
The iron is already hot and agile in style, those who haven't moved on may still feel cold even though they think they're warmed up
♦️♦️♦️𝑆𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑙𝑒𝑡 Ｄ. 𝐅𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐫:
Wow, love-struck 🤦♂️
☪️ Seremonia:
Not that, but to a time when love is blossoming among fellow humans, the environment, and wherever love blooms, to strengthen the feeling
SELF-MOTIVATION - Intense Conversation
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🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
How Important are Contradictory Theories in Studying Social Reality within a Classification of Aimless Cycles Unless Someone Intervenes to Alter Them in Terms of Formulation and Execution as Previously...
♦♦♦♦♦ 𝔐𝔞𝔫𝔤𝔤𝔦𝔩𝔦𝔫𝔤𝔞𝔫:
Contradictions Exist in the Mind...
Suffering of the Mind
Wowkwowkow
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Complex Thoughts Need to Be Simplified... How to Simplify Thoughts Amidst Ongoing Complexity...
☪️ Seremonia:
Intellectually, Seeking Generalization Behind It, or More Fundamentally Seeking its Absolute Truth, or Pursuing its Dialectics
Practically, Seeking Synergy Between Idealism, Realism & Pragmatism
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Unified in Form...
☪️ Seremonia:
That's Objective
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Yes I Know, Knowing Doesn't Mean Just Knowing, Because Knowing Will Always Be Developed Until Knowing
Besides
☪️ Seremonia:
Don't Forget, It's Not Just Knowing, Tempe is Nutritious Too
Simplicity Returns to Idealism, Realism & Pragmatism, So as Not to Overstep Boundaries
🪆 Strawberry Field:
Just Be 'B'
☪️ Seremonia:
We Need A to Z, Not Just 'B'
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Not Directly There, Before Starting and Afterward
☪️ Seremonia:
Enlighten Us...
The Most Fundamental Foundation of Simplicity is Honesty
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
I'm Not Just Pretending to Know, But Trying to Understand Knowledge Over a Meal
☪️ Seremonia:
Don't Forget Tempe, It Must Be Balanced
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Honesty and Openness are Necessary, But Is There a Next Step to Understanding That Path
☪️ Seremonia:
Discipline
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
In What Sense?
☪️ Seremonia:
Willing to Sacrifice for Hope
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
First Step?
☪️ Seremonia:
The First One Faced, Done as Best as Possible
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Maybe You Have Your Own Dictionary
☪️ Seremonia:
Everyone Has Their Own Dictionary of Honesty That Can Be Disciplined Through Sacrifice
𝑆𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑙𝑒𝑡 Ｄ. 𝐅𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐫:
S. O. P 🤭
☪️ Seremonia:
Standard Operating Presijiur
𝑆𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑙𝑒𝑡 Ｄ. 𝐅𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐫:
Personal Life Dictionary. "Giving Up Isn't in My Dictionary" 🤭
☪️ Seremonia:
Me❓Surrendered
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
For Example, Implicitly... Where is Honesty Found
☪️ Seremonia:
Surrender Rooted in Belief
Honesty About Weaknesses & Strengths
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Many Prefer Trying the Best Alternative...
☪️ Seremonia:
Find What's Most Intense Within Ourselves, That's a Little Hint
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Masked, And Repeated Again at the Starting Point
☪️ Seremonia:
Means Observing Our Surroundings
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Adding More, Let's Continue
☪️ Seremonia:
I'm off for a while
TRUTH & REALISTIC PROJECTIONS - Intense Conversation
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☪️ Seremonia:
As long as something can lead us to adapt better and better, it means we have found the truth
But divine truth is more specific
♦️♦️♦️𝑆𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑙𝑒𝑡 Ｄ. 𝐅𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐫:
Good remains good. Less good hopefully gets better. It's the same with what's right and less right. 😮💨
☪️ Seremonia:
Life is self-optimization, and that requires adaptation
🪆 ♦️♦️♦️Strawberry Field:
As long as it lasts
☪️ Seremonia:
Not eternal but immortalized
♦️♦️♦️𝑆𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑙𝑒𝑡 Ｄ. 𝐅𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐫:
If you had a time machine, which era would you go back to, bro?
The dinosaur era sounds exciting
Iron loses to an iron. An iron can move left and right. Why can't humans? 😫
☪️ Seremonia:
In a time when love is blooming
The iron is already hot and agile in style, those who haven't moved on may still feel cold even though they think they're warmed up
♦️♦️♦️𝑆𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑙𝑒𝑡 Ｄ. 𝐅𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐫:
Wow, love-struck 🤦♂️
☪️ Seremonia:
Not that, but to a time when love is blossoming among fellow humans, the environment, and wherever love blooms, to strengthen the feeling
THE FIRMNESS OF TRUTH & DEVOTION - Intense Conversation
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Cendikia Prananta Ardian:
Hold on, I Haven't Had a Chance to Read Everything Yet But I Have 1 Slightly Puzzling Question 🙃
The question is: What Happens If There Is No God (Meaning Here God Isn't Created) And Who Are We?
☪️ Seremonia:
Keep the answers short but ongoing... If confused, ask each other questions to understand the direction, avoiding misunderstandings.
Understood.
If There's No God? Fundamentally, God is the Source of Existence, All-Present.
So, I Can Convert the Question to "If There's No Existence, What Happens?
Initially, the Answer Is, Existence Always Exists Because It Originates That Way, Where Would It Be Erased?
👈 Previously
We Are His Creations, Then What's Simpler Than That Apart From Who We Are?
👉 Those Who Depend on Him
SELF-AWARENESS - Intense Conversations
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♦️♦️♦️♦️♦️ QucingQyut:
Correct Words, Misunderstood. We Learn (Know) God Within Our (Human) Capacity Alone.
☪️ Seremonia:
ATTITUDE. At least able to adapt to claim rights & fulfill responsibilities towards oneself, environment, and God as best as possible.
KNOWLEDGE. Speaking of divinity doesn’t deny but acknowledges it.
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
How to perceive someone's thought branches from the limitations of their language paradigm?
☪️ Seremonia:
Between knowledge & its application coming closer (contextual), and if unable. It'll show both directions where one intermittently switches.
Absolutely belongs to Allah, we understand and share it.
No one is proficient in all fields, they have their weaknesses.
If you want to awaken them to their weaknesses, it’s simple, guidance won’t descend on someone unless they sincerely seek the truth.
So if we strive sincerely, God willing, Allah will touch their hearts. If they remain unmoved, it means they need to learn and aren't ready. Don't force it unless the intention for good is substantial enough to make them aware.
Can they be confused? Have you ever been confused? If you’ve never been confused, it might not be their concern anymore.
But even Prophet Muhammad SAW sought advice from his companions.
Similarly, I can be confused too, and a friend's bait opens up our conversation. Beyond that, confusion again lol.
Intuition? Creativity? Memory? Or the forgotten, all affirm there’s something beyond oneself.
More like depression, not necessarily schizophrenia.
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
They fall into considering it a delusion of thought and are too engrossed in their inner world, not understood as part of the surroundings.
It's actually just a fictional story.
But who knows if it can be realized or not.
☪️ Seremonia:
Needs a personal approach.
DEALING WITH ILLUSIONS
Not a matter of real or illusion or fantasy or imagination, but as long as something has an impact, it must be considered.
While striving to optimize oneself, being open, empathetic, and acknowledging God, that’s approaching wisdom (philosophizing).
Even if fictional, it can convey meaningful messages and logical sequences (though with potential risks). So, be cautious to avoid sinking into harmful risks.
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Wow, Seremonia, after I asked Aunt Google.. Turns out Ohh Really??? It's quite eerie, huh..
Do you think someone with that personality can find love?
☪️ Seremonia:
Of course, they can. They need a like-minded companion, empathy. It's not easy, lol.
EMPATHY
And more fundamentally, finding a companion or helping someone oriented towards seeking the best compensation to overcome pain or sadness.
That is... empathizing with wise compensation.
https://t.me/METAPhilosophia/1/4341
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
But they're manipulative, I'm worried...
☪️ Seremonia:
It means your empathy about compensation needs deeper exploration, to realize they're good, haven’t lost what they like, there's still hope, and they will adjust more to us.
Mastering the art of empathetic compensation is essential for psychologists or anyone with responsibilities on their shoulders.
METAPHILOSOPHY - Intense Discussion
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☪️ Seremony:
Something that can bring us closer to God, so our wisdom is guidance from Him, no matter how small the progress, that's the effort of metaphilosophy.
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Amin, God is always right and you are sure about that, hold on to it, be cautious of bureaucratic politicization craving power by any means.
Amin means agreed.
Just to make the spirit more devout
Cognitive Bias Metaphor Linguistics
☪️ Seremony:
Aamiin, goodbye 🙏,
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Actually, we haven't reached the discussion yet, let's develop this space so it may be a blessing for children who want to learn...
Blessings for you good people
THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH & THE BELIEVER - Intense Discussion
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😇 Reza Satria:
Allah SWT is the Necessary Existence, while humans are relative, except in metaphilosophy where they have absolute knowledge 😀
☪️ Seremonia:
Metaphilosophy affirms the truth of the Quran, so there must be traces of absoluteness from the Quran, just as we discuss the truth of divinity, but that doesn't mean we are gods.
♦️♦️♦️♦️♦️ QucingQyut:
True words, but often misunderstood. We only understand (know) God within our (human) capability.
☪️ Seremonia:
I'll add a bit, even though we have limitations, within those limitations, we reflect the absolute truth from Him.
😇 Reza Satria:
Absoluteness belongs only to Allah SWT.
Consensus truth belongs to humans.
Be wise in philosophizing; philosophy tends to stray from the Quran, which is why it claims its own absoluteness.
☪️ Seremonia:
Absoluteness belongs to Allah; we understand it and share it.
COMPENSATORY EMPATHY ADAPTATION - Intense Discussion
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🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
For example, this person is very knowledgeable in various fields. How do we respond to interactions with them... because maybe they already know a lot and are not interested in further exploration.
☪️ Seremonia:
No one is knowledgeable in all fields; there must be weaknesses.
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Let's say in two or three fields... I'm saying various, not everything. It can be classified between surpassing divisions and capacities.
☪️ Seremonia:
I use general terms because I'm ambiguous, making it easier to synchronize.
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Alright, I understand and relax... But if you meet this person, what would you like to do? This person is individualistic and very realistic about reality because they believe destiny is not their concern anymore.
☪️ Seremonia:
If you want to make them aware of their weaknesses, it's simple, guidance won't come to someone unless they sincerely seek the truth. So, if we sincerely try, God willing, Allah will touch their hearts. If they remain unaffected, it means they need to learn more and aren't ready, so don't force it unless your intention for good is strong enough to make them aware.
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
They present themselves as a symphony in silence. Amen. 🙏🏻 We're all learning, right? Thank you for this learning platform. 🙏🏻 May your fortune be blessed.
☪️ Seremonia:
Can they get confused? Have you ever been confused? If they've never been confused at all, then maybe it's truly not their concern, but even Prophet Muhammad SAW sought advice from his companions.
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Confusion sometimes arises from looking within oneself.
☪️ Seremonia:
Likewise, I can also get confused, and a friend's provocation opens up our conversation. Beyond that, confusion again lol. Intuition? Creativity? Memories? Or the forgotten, all affirm there's something beyond oneself.
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
From a psychological perspective, could they have a mental disorder or something?
☪️ Seremonia:
Well, that's what video calls are for, lol. More accurately, it could be depression, not necessarily schizophrenia.
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
If it's depression, there must be causes and reasons why it's like that... But from their behavior, they seem like an existentialist who can no longer distinguish between self and soul. They fall into considering thoughts as illusions and are too engrossed in their inner world, not understanding themselves as part of the surroundings.
☪️ Seremonia:
It requires a personal approach. Addressing illusions. Not about real problems or illusions or fantasies or imagination, but as long as something has an impact, it must be considered. While striving to optimize oneself, being open, empathetic, and acknowledging God, then it's categorized as approaching wisdom (philosophizing). Although fictional, it can convey meaningful messages and logical sequences that may seem correct (though risky), so caution is needed to avoid getting lost in something that carries potential harm.
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
Wow, Seremonia, after I asked Aunt Google... Turns out, ohhh really??? It's quite eerie, huh... Can someone with that kind of personality find love?
☪️ Seremonia:
Of course, they can, but they need a partner who understands, empathizes; it's not easy, lol. Empathy. And more fundamentally, finding a partner or helping someone whose orientation is to seek the best compensation to overcome pain or sadness. That is... empathizing with wise compensation.
🪆♦️♦️♦️♦️Luxy Perplexity:
But what if they're manipulative, I'm afraid... What if suddenly they emerge unexpectedly?
☪️ Seremonia:
That means your empathy about compensation needs to be deeper, to make them realize they are good, that they haven't lost what they like, that there is still hope, and of course, they will adapt more to us. Mastering the art of compensatory empathy is needed by psychologists, or anyone with responsibilities on their shoulders.
